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Joanie Higgs's avatar

Along this line, I watched a satisfying video today by Nigel Watson on YouTube 21 minute watch in which he confronts a (virologist) commenter with the sorry truth of himself as one who stayed silent. https://youtu.be/RPztVV0vXVY?si=q5MJ-cPnUjPrwbW2

Horace the Menace's avatar

In a similar vein I have a relation who is employed in some capacity at a mid-level within the deep state. He's senior enough to know that bad things are going on, but not so senior that he's directly implicated. He excuses himself by saying that "most of the people working for the government are good people" and that "it's just the people at the top who are bad."

I want to say "Anyone who knowingly works for evil people and follows their orders is not a good person", but for the sake of family harmony I say nothing these days.

Joanie Higgs's avatar

Now, I am wondering if our own silence "for the sake of family harmony" is justifiable, since it is the same dynamic that we condemn in the corporate/bureaucratic world. I have decided that if in the presence of family members (a very rare occurence) if I could just quietly, without anger or passion state the truth, without expecting a favourable response, that that might be the right thing to do.

Horace the Menace's avatar

I agree. I have stated the truth in the past. Perhaps I should keep doing so. I will do so if the subject arises - but that seems different to me from bringing it up myself with the intention of starting a fight.

I think there's a technique issue here too - lecturing people isn't effective - but it seems to be how I engage :-(.

Joanie Higgs's avatar

Ditto to your last statement, which is why I have failed in the past! And yes, it needs only to be addressed as their conversation leads... useless to try to open up any discussion from our end.

David's avatar

Exactly.

Forgiveness can only conceivably happen when there is an actual apology, which to be actual must include::

1. An articulated understanding of what you have done;

2. An expressed contrition for it;

3. And a request for forgiveness.

The demand to “forgive and forget” without a true apology—now being seen across the globe, such as the recent piece in The Atlantic—is precisely what serial abusers do.

They gaslight and demand forgiveness of those they have abused without actually apologizing; in this case, demanding that we “forgive and forget” and asking “why can’t we move beyond this” and erroneously asserting “hey, it’s Christian to forgive, no?” Et cetera. Pure gaslighting.

But of course, just as with the serial abuser, no actual apologies will ever be forthcoming.

Why? Because they aren’t really sorry. And they have no real intention of stopping.

OldSysEng's avatar

The Emilys of this world believe that "sin" is an archaic concept and does not apply to moderns. Moderns only make mistakes or errors; they do not sin.

Horace the Menace's avatar

Indeed. Our entire way of looking at the world has been turned on its head to such an extent that the idea of spirituality, God, religion, sin, even good and evil is incomprehensible to a large part of society.

And the arguments that have been used to convince people of this could be pulled apart by an educated, intelligent eleven year old. But without education, even intelligent adults are lost at sea.

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Horace the Menace's avatar

I do agree that the enemy we face is a death cult.

I don't think it is particularly useful to describe the death cult as "Jewish" because it (at least as far as I can tell) predates Judaism, and because it is a parasite which infects all religions and institutions - not just Judaism. For example, the current pope appears to be a member. I do agree however that it has survived and thrived within Judaism for a very long time, and that death cult members who identify as Jewish have played a very significant role in imposing anti-human values on the world to the detriment of all.

I don't accept that Christianity is a death cult even though the death cult has infected many Christian churches. I believe Christ spent his life in opposition to the death cult - he was fighting exactly the same enemy we face today - and his teachings are all aimed at opposing it. This position is also supported by the determined, sustained and relentless attack the death cult has made upon Christianity over millenia.

I also don't accept that national socialism is eitrher a good thing or in opposition to the death cult. While establishing truth is a tricky proposition there is a lot of evidence to indicate that the death cult itself created the Nazi party, financed its rise to power, and controlled its industry. The Nazi party's occult roots were based in Kabbalistic (death cult) mysteries via Theosophy and the Thule society. I think there's a good chance that National Socialism was entirely controlled by the death cult from inception and its purposes were

(a) the destruction of Germany as an economic and military power

(b) the use of terror to drive ordinary Jews from Europe (where they were comfortable) to Israel

(c) the creation of the cultural "Jew-as-victim-not-criminal" theme.

One interesting factoid that ties into this theory is Hitler's likely sinister descent from the Rothschild family.

I do agree that communism and socialism are inventions of the death cult, reflect its values, and lead to hell on earth. But so is/does national socialism.